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SCHIFFER: Thanks for tuning in this afternoon. I'm your host, Paul Schiffer. This is the Schiffer Report, and on today's broadcast we're going to focus on an organization that was just established recently, and we'll tell you all about it on today's broadcast. Two of their founding members are with us. It's called the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

And basically this organization was fed up with all the liberal lies about Vietnam since the Vietnam War ended back in 1975. Those lies and those myths were propagated and accelerated to full intensity during the presidential campaign last year, and a lot of you in the listening audience here at RighTalk Radio are familiar with the battle of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the former POWs, the book "Unfit for Command."

All of these events I was involved with last year. I had the privilege and the honor to work with my guests tonight and with Jerry Corsi and others from last March until the election, to keep bashing John Kerry to make sure that this American traitor did not get elected President of the United States of America.

I'm proud to announce, though, that these guys didn't just quit and lay down their arms, so to speak, after that presidential race. A lot of the former POWs and the people involved with the Swift Boat Veterans/POW effort formed this new group called Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

This group of Vietnam veterans, concerned and frustrated with the lack of public understanding of the Vietnam War and the negative image of those who served there, have embarked on this new mission to tell you, the American people, the truth about what really happened in Vietnam. In other words, we're going to shatter all of those lies and myths propagated by the liberal left.

This new organization will be led by Colonel George E. Bud Day, a Medal of Honor recipient and former POW who served in World War II, Korea, and Vietnam, and is the Air Force's most highly-decorated combat veteran. Colonel Day said recently, "The false history of Vietnam has be

en used to demoralize our troops in combat, undermine the public's confidence in U.S. foreign policy, and weaken our national security. Radical leftists, such as Jane Fonda, lied about the war 35 years ago and are still lying about it today." And of course, Jane Fonda has a new book out that's very controversial on this subject matter also.

Now, the goal of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation is to continue the work of countering more than three decades of misinformation and propaganda and to set the record straight. And we'll be referring everybody in the listening audience to their excellent web site all through this broadcast today. We're talking, again, about the VVLF, the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

We have two special guests with us tonight, one of them being the executive director of the VVLF and the other one being former POW, Colonel Kenneth Cordier.

Now, Colonel Kenneth Cordier is a retired colonel in the U.S. Air Force. During his service in the Vietnam War, Colonel Cordier was shot down and held captive as a prisoner of war for more than six years. He was awarded numerous medals for his service in Vietnam. Colonel Cordier resides in Texas and remains involved with veterans issues serving on the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs POW Advisory Board and on Congressman Pete Sessions' U.S. Air Force Academy Candidate Selection Board.

Our other guest today -- both of them will be with us simultaneously throughout the broadcast -- Scott Swett. He's Executive Director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, an organization created primarily by former POWs who were active in the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth effort against John Kerry last year.

Mr. Swett was webmaster for the organization's web site - it's SwiftVets.com - and is also the creator of WinterSoldier.com. It was an excellent site for information on this traitor, John Kerry, a central repository of information on the actions of John Kerry, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, which was Kerry's communist front group back in the early '70s, and others during the Vietnam era.

Now, we welcome both of our guests to the Schiffer Report tonight. Welcome Mr. Scott Swett and Colonel Cordier.

SWETT: Thanks very much.

SCHIFFER: Go ahead.

CORDIER: Thanks Paul. It's a privilege to be here.

SCHIFFER: Colonel Cordier, we'll start with you. Very quickly, there's a lot of people, during the campaign last year, that know all about you. I refer to the ads that were run, the excellent documentary, "Stolen Honor." Maybe you can tell people how they can get a hold of that DVD and/or video, if they still can.

First, give us a little bit about your background and what happened to you while you were in Vietnam.

CORDIER: Well, I was at the end of my second combat tour in Southeast Asia, the first being in 1965. I flew out of an air base in Thailand, Ubon, and then was at Cameron Bay, and on this fateful day I was about 85 miles north of Hanoi when I got - took a direct hit from a surface-to-air missile and had to eject immediately, and when I landed I was captured and hauled off to Hanoi and had my six years and three months as a guest of the communist government there.

My story is very much like the rest of the POWs that were captured during those early years.

SCHIFFER: Why did you get involved with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the former POWs? You linked efforts together with all of those TV ads and your documentary, "Stolen Honor." Why personally did you get involved?

CORDIER: Well, I just couldn't stand by and watch this campaign unfold with someone so unworthy as John Kerry being one of the candidates. I mean, if he'd have been a Republican, God forbid, I would have done the same thing. The man was, as the book's title, absolutely unfit to command.

SCHIFFER: Well, it's good to see that you've picked up the pieces and now you have - you're part of this new effort, this new educational organization, the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation. What are some of your goals? What's your mission statement?

CORDIER: Well, it's interesting how this evolved. I mean, just a few of us were involved in the Swift Boat ads initially early in the summer, and as a result of that, I helped the organizers for "Stolen Honor" get some other POWs who I knew had good stories or willing to speak, and that evolved into the "Stolen Honor" documentary, which by the way, you can go to StolenHonor.com on the web now and you can still order this video or a CD of the documentary, and there's sort of a trailer brochure that goes with it too.

After the election we got together in early December and sort of decided that our work wasn't finished because of, as you just very well said, the vast amount of misinformation that's gone unchallenged. That's the thing. Unchallenged and propagated by the old media and Hollywood. You look at a list of Hollywood movies that have been made about Vietnam, and only one of them was really positive, and that was --

SCHIFFER: "We Were Soldiers"?

CORDIER: John Wayne's --

SCHIFFER: Okay.

CORDIER: "Green Berets."

SWETT: "Green Berets."

CORDIER: Then "We Were Soldiers" came along, and that was the first, I thought, realistic movie, you know, about the war. I thought that one was very well done. But all the rest of them -

SCHIFFER: Probably mainly -

CORDIER: All the rest of them really put down the vets that served over there, made us look like a bunch of whacked out psychopaths, and a very negative image has evolved as a result. The uncritical viewer tends to take these things as more or less fact, based on actual things that happened, which of course, they weren't.

I don't know how many times I've heard that so-called documentary "Fahrenheit" filth last year being called a documentary, when it wasn't.

SCHIFFER: You're listening to the Schiffer Report. The phone lines are open if you'd like to call us toll free. Give us a call now: 866-884-8255. That toll-free number again is 866-884-8255. You can also visit us on our new web site, www.SchifferReport.net. That's spelled W-W-W dot S-C-H-I-F-F-E-R, R-E-P-O-R-T dot net. And you can e-mail me at comments@SchifferReport.net.

Today's special: We're focusing on exposing some of the lies and myths of the Vietnam War propagated by the liberals in this country since the past 35 years or so.

The group we're talking about is a new organization called Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation. Their web site, if you'd like to check that out, and we're also linking up with them, is www.VietnamLegacy.org. Again, it's VietnamLegacy.org. It's a 501(c)3 public service corporation whose mission is to educate and inform the public about the Vietnam War.

Now we go to Scott Swett. He's the Executive Director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, and you're no stranger to the conservatives out there, especially at Free Republic. Your efforts are well known, Scott, and I commend you again for your efforts with WinterSoldier.com, SwiftVets.com, your involvement with the campaign against Kerry last year.

SWETT: Well, thanks very much, Paul. It's good to be on.

SCHIFFER: You picked up the mantle here, a new mantle, the executive director of this new foundation. Tell us your role in this group and what you'd like to see happen as far as your mission statement.

SWETT: Well, let me talk about it in slightly more broad terms. The effort, as Colonel Cordier mentioned, grew out of the Swift Vets' and POWs' mission against John Kerry last year, and at the end of it when Kerry was not elected, there was kind of an internal difference of opinion on what, if anything, to do next.

The Swift Vets essentially came to the conclusion that their mission was accomplished and that they intended to have no more involvement in politics unless Kerry runs again. So they, for all intents and purposes, stood down, although the web site at SwiftVets.com is still there and their commercials and videos are still active.

The POWs took a somewhat different approach, which was that they felt that there was a need to counter the disinformation that had seeped into the culture and through the media about Vietnam, that the events of the campaign had provided a tremendous opportunity for a larger educational effort, and that's what this is intended to be.

The Vietnam Legacy Foundation is, as you said, a 501(c)3. It's not a 527 political organization. And our charter is to educate about the Vietnam War in a variety of ways, and one of them is going to be the creation of films and documentaries. We're going to create a repository of materials, but perhaps most importantly we're going to attempt to systematically counter misinformation as we find it in the media.

SCHIFFER: Well, it's about time because there's still this false impression on many different levels about the Vietnam War and how the Vietnam soldier acted over there in South Vietnam.

Colonel Cordier, do you have something to add to that?

CORDIER: I do. I'm just looking at a quote here from former Secretary of the Navy, James Webb, who served in Vietnam, was a Marine officer there. He pointed out that the myth is that Vietnam was fought by Americans drafted from the lower classes disproportionately among the black and Hispanic community, and in fact, 67 percent of those who served and 73 percent of those who died in Vietnam were in the first place, volunteers, not draftees, and blacks, who at the time comprised 13.1 percent of the serving age group, 12.6 percent actually went into the military, and 12.2 percent were casualties. So their casualties were less than their percentage population in the group.

SWETT: And --

SCHIFFER: One of the other -- Go ahead.

SWETT: If you say that to most people, they just instinctively reject it because the lie has been so propagated in the culture that the lower classes and black Americans were disproportionately used as cannon fodder in Vietnam. It's just been repeated over and over, although it is absolutely factually false.

SCHIFFER: There are dozens of myths and lies out there, at the very least, maybe hundreds, pertaining to the Vietnam War. Of course, we're only going to be able to cover a few of those. But I understand, Colonel Cordier and Scott Sweet, that your organization, again the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, are putting together a paper, if you will, concerning a lot of these myths and lies, and you're going to address this, these lies, as part of your educational outreach program.

What are some of -- would you like to elaborate on some of these myths pertaining to the Vietnam War propagated by the liberal media and the liberals like Jane Fonda and John Kerry. Both of you go ahead and take some time and pick one or two that you think are some of the most important ones.

CORDIER: Well, I'll pick just one, and it drives me to a white heat, and that is the war crimes, widespread, on a daily basis, acknowledged or proved up and down the chain of command. Now, this was a harping point of John Kerry when he made his testimony to the senate hearing in 1971.

The truth is quite the contrary. There were very few criminal offenses in Vietnam compared to earlier wars, certainly compared to World War II in the European theater, even. And we need to make this very clear and make people understand that we fought under the most stringent rules of engagement of any war we've ever participated in.

SCHIFFER: Scott, would you like to add to that?

SWETT: Just to note that the other piece of that is in addition to misrepresenting the activities of American soldiers in Vietnam as horrible, the anti-war movement also consistently ignored the very real and overwhelming atrocities committed by the Vietcong and by the North Vietnamese.

Now, any honest historian will tell you that by far the largest cause of civilian casualties in Vietnam during the U.S. involvement in the war was Vietcong terrorism. You know, that was standard operation. Assassinations were a major tactic. Perhaps the most dramatic example of the cruelty of the communists was the deliberate collection and slaughter of some three to six thousand people in Hue when the North Vietnamese army succeeded in taking over most of the city for a few days during the Tet offensive in 1968.

What a lot of people don't realize, and one of the things we want to get out there, is that lists of people slated for liquidation had been prepared in advance, not only for Hue, but for a number of other cities, and only the lack of success of the Tet offensive on the part of the North Vietnamese prevented that from being implemented in a number of other locations.

So when you're talking about atrocities in Vietnam and you're not talking about what the North Vietnamese did, you're listening to propaganda.

SCHIFFER: One of the other things that personally bothers me - I read a lot of history, and especially concerning the Vietnam War. One thing that really bothers me, Colonel Cordier and Scott, is when they say that they blame Nixon for the end of the war the way it happened, when it was the -- wasn't it the liberals and the so-called peace movement and all of these other agitators and protestors that forced, basically forced and pressured the government to withdraw from Vietnam. We didn't lose that war. We were pushed out of it. And of course, Watergate happened and Nixon did not have the strength that he should have or could have to stand up to these liberal lies. The other thing - in other words, the liberals tied his hands.

But another thing is that we were winning this war. We won most of the battles, if not all of the major battles, in Vietnam.

We're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back we'll hear more from our guests tonight, Scott Swett, the Executive Director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, and also Colonel Ken Cordier. We'll be right back.

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SCHIFFER: Well, we're back. This is the Schiffer Report. I'm your host Paul Schiffer, and remember our web site is www.SchifferReport.net. I'd like you to visit that web site. You can also download some previous programs, some of my favorites and my producer, Shawn Weisbarth's, favorite programs from the past, including the debate between John O'Neill and Mr. John Hurley, representing the Kerry camp, a week before the election, here on the Schiffer Report.

Again, our web site is www.SchifferReport.net. That's spelled S-C-H-I-F-F-E-R, R-E-P-O-R-T dot net. Our toll-free number - it's open now; we'd like to take your call - is toll free, 866-884-8255. You're invited to call us now at 866-884-8255.

And again, we're speaking to Scott Swett. He's the Executive Director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation. It's a new organization set up to address all of the lies, or counter all of the lies and myths and propaganda put out there by the liberal left and the media the past 35 years. And there's a lot more other things they plan to do in their mission statement, doing videos and documentaries and other articles of information so you, the listening audience, become more aware of the full truth of what happened during the Vietnam War.

We also have Colonel Ken Cordier with us as a special guest. He's a part of this Legacy Foundation. Again, Kenneth Cordier is a retired colonel, U.S. Air Force, and during his service in the Vietnam War he was shot down and held captive as a POW for more than six years. He was awarded numerous medals for his service in Vietnam.

Welcome back Scott and Colonel Cordier. Welcome back.

SWETT: Thank you, Paul.

SCHIFFER: Okay, I'd like you both to address something. I'm going to read a quote here, just two paragraphs, I think, from one of the best summaries of the Swift Boat battle last year. It was written by Patrick J. Buchanan for "Human Events," exclusive to "Human Events" publication last March, and it's called "John Kerry's Bright, Shining Lie," but at the end of this - and of course, Buchanan would know. He worked right there in the Nixon White House. He even met John O'Neill a few times in the White House. It was all about the way the liberal left sabotaged the war.

This is what Buchanan writes: "This war was lost by a liberal national establishment that plunged us into it, could not win or end it, broke and ran and sabotaged Nixon's effort to end it with honor. These were the guilty men, the liberal establishment. The greatest of the war crimes was not committed in Vietnam. It was committed here in this city, in Washington, D.C., when congress, prodded and pushed by Nixon haters, tied Nixon's hands, restricted U.S. bombing, slashed military aid to the South, leaving our ally at the mercy of invading armies from the North supplied by Moscow and Beijing."

I'd like each one of you to comment on what I just read. First you, Scott.

SWETT: I think that's quite accurate. When the American forces left in 1973 under the Paris Accords, the agreement was that if there was an attack by the North, that we were permitted to go back. It wasn't an unconditional withdrawal. And in fact, in late 1974 the North Vietnamese started a series of probing attacks essentially to see if we would respond in any way; however, by that point the U.S. Congress had cut off all funds for support of South Vietnam, not merely military funds, but funds to support anything whatsoever.

And so then in early 1975 the emboldened North Vietnamese realized that we weren't going to respond, that we weren't going to fulfill our treaty obligations, that we weren't going to support our long-time ally, and they launched a conventional blitzkrieg type attack with tanks, Soviet tanks, and took over the country using some 400,000 men in that massive assault.

Had we merely provided air cover, air defense, we probably could have stopped that cold. The North Vietnamese risked that because they correctly assessed that our will to keep them from taking over South Vietnam was at an end.

SCHIFFER: Colonel Cordier, your comments.

CORDIER: Well, Scott said it very well. Not to namedrop, but I was fortunate to have a conversation with Henry Kissinger when I was air attache in London after the war, and he said essentially the same thing, but more than that, he said they had intelligence that the Russians were pouring more military equipment into North Vietnam during the year 1974 than any single year during the war, and you've got all that loading up on one side, plus the liberal-controlled U.S. Congress voting to cut off all aid, as Scott said, to South Vietnam. The outcome was very easy to predict, and -

SCHIFFER: Another big -

CORDIER: Go ahead.

SCHIFFER: Go ahead.

CORDIER: Well, I was just going to say that by the final battle in April of '75, we've heard many reports about how they didn't have fuel or ammunition for their aircraft. They didn't have sufficient supplies for their infantry, guys who had had maybe 30 or 40 rounds of rifle ammunition, a couple of hand grenades, each platoon maybe one or two mortar rounds. They were virtually out of everything. And so when they came down there with that massed blitzkrieg type attack supported by tanks, the South Vietnamese were quickly out of ammunition and ideas, and collapsed.

SCHIFFER: Both of you, tell me if I'm right in my assessment here. Everything I've read about Vietnam, especially diving into the subject during the Swift Boat campaign last year, from my understanding is, the liberals and the war protestors and agitators forced Nixon to pull out of the war, then of course, there was Watergate that was coming down at the same time. We were forced out of the war; we were winning that war. We won the Tet Offensive.

CORDIER: You mentioned that before, Paul.

SCHIFFER: Right.

CORDIER: Yeah, I was going to comment on that from your previous comment.

No, we were not forced out. When we finally ended the war, there had been a long-term phase out of American troops, and by the time Jane Fonda made her infamous trip in August of '72, I'm told that there were only two to three thousand combat troops still in country. A lot more than that in terms of support troops, but actual trigger pullers, just a couple thousand.

SCHIFFER: But we were winning every engagement, were we not?

CORDIER: We were winning in every sense of it.

SCHIFFER: Including -

CORDIER: Yeah.

SCHIFFER: Including the Tet Offensive, one of the big lies also, another myth that I know your organization, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, probably addresses also is when the news media right there during the Tet Offensive said we won - I mean, we lost everything and lost badly. Tell us the truth about that.

SWETT: If I could jump in on that one, the Tet Offensive was a devastating blow to the Vietcong and to the North Vietnamese in military terms. This was the - it was a massive attack during the lunar new year celebration known as Tet, which was the biggest Vietnam holiday in 1968, and their general, General Giap, who was the mastermind of the '54 battle at Dien Bien Phu when they beat the French, did this as a massive surprise attack during this Vietnam holiday because he was aware that a good chunk of the South Vietnamese military would be home on leave and assumed that the Americans wouldn't be expecting anything. The idea was to massively shock the defenders. It didn't work.

There was house-to-house fighting and intense battles for several days, but what did happen was the television beamed the carnage into American homes for the first time ever. This hadn't happened during World War II. It hadn't happened during Korea.

So the American people were looking for somebody to make sense out of this horrific stuff for them. Enter Uncle Walter, Walter Cronkite, who reports that we have no chance of winning and that the war is a stalemate that can only be settled by negotiation. He failed - he was not an expert in military matters, but he offered his opinion that - if he'd reported it straight in military terms, the American people would have received the information that we had stopped a massive and almost desperate last-ditch attempt of the Vietnamese communists. But instead, what he convinced many people of was that this was a futile effort that was never going to succeed and that any continued engagement would just be wasted loss of life.

SCHIFFER: Why all of this information is important, there may be some people out there that believe well, the Vietnam War ended 35 years ago. What's the big deal? And I understand though that the ghost - and this is on your own web site there, the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation's own www.VietnamLegacy.org . I encourage the listening audience to go to it. But you put up on your web site that even today the ghost of Vietnam looms over every U.S. military operation, even today. It drives foreign policy and continues to have a profound and lasting impact on America's national security. So as far as I'm concerned, it's very relevant and very necessary for the truth to be known about everything about the Vietnam War so we can project ahead right now on Iraq and Afghanistan and other countries and do the right thing or address these - any mistakes that were made, any that were not made, and get rid of all these myths. What do you think?

Either one of you two go -

CORDIER: Sounds like an excellent way to move forward. I wanted to comment on connecting the dots. Are we near the break?

SCHIFFER: I don't know. A few minutes, I think. Go ahead. Two minutes until break. Go ahead.

CORDIER: Well, I'll just start on this. Maybe we can expand later, but here's the thing. There's so much that happened back in the late '60s and especially the early '70s in terms of what the agenda and what the actions were of the the radical left, and we're going to be talking a lot about that, documenting everything that we talk about because we're not going to just spread hearsay.

SCHIFFER: Absolutely. And of course, Scott did an excellent job during the Swift Boat Veteran campaign against John Kerry with WinterSoldier.com and SwiftVets.com.

In other words, your legacy foundation and your web site, VietnamLegacy.org, is going to continue where the WinterSoldier.com / SwiftVets.com left off?

SWETT: Well, WinterSoldier's still active. We're continuing to do research and continuing to report what we find on the part of the anti-war movement specifically that alleged massive American war crimes, but if I can enlarge on Colonel Cordier's point, the American left and the International left see Vietnam as the model for how you stop the United State, that if you can create doubt and fear and a sense that what America's doing is wrong and horrible, you can undercut American initiatives in the world. And that's why you see, for example, the New York Times featuring the prison abuses on their front page for more than 40 days. Is that really a story that merits that level of coverage or is -

SCHIFFER: Not at all. Not at all.

SWETT: - this a leftist organization that's attempting to do what Vietnam Veterans Against the War effectively did during the Vietnam era, which is to undercut American morale, and I would argue that it's the latter.

SCHIFFER: I agree.

Colonel Cordier, go ahead.

CORDIER: Right. Well, you know, you've brought up Abu Ghraib, and rightly so, and the immense attention that was given by the old media. Where were they during the Vietnam War even after it was known that we were being tortured and abused in Vietnam, and I'll make a fine distinction between mistreatment and gross abuse. I mean -

SCHIFFER: We're going to take a quick commercial break, slide into one real quick here. We'll be back then with our guests tonight, Scott Swett and Colonel Cordier.

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SCHIFFER: You're listening to the Schiffer Report. I'm your host, Paul Schiffer. Remember, our web site is W-W-W dot S-C-H-I-F-F-E-R, R-E-P-O-R-T dot net, SchifferReport.net, or you can e-mail us comments@SchifferReport.net. Again, that's comments@SchifferReport.net. The phone lines are open. Toll free: 866-884-8255.

We're talking about the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, a brand new organization, basically an organization that took shape, started to, last year during the campaign against John Kerry. They were successful there. A lot of the people involved with this - there were people that were involved in last year's campaign against John Kerry, the people you saw in the TV commercials, the movie, the documentary, "Stolen Honor."

We have with us, again, Scott Swett. He's the Executive Director of Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, and also Colonel Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel from the U.S. Air Force.

Again, during his service in the Vietnam War Colonel Cordier was shot down and held captive as a POW for more than six years. His story and the other stories are found, former POWs, found in the documentary "Stolen Honor."

Remember to go to their web site, which is VietnamLegacy.org. That's VietnamLegacy.org.

Welcome back Scott and Colonel Cordier. Welcome back both of you.

CORDIER: Thank you.

SCHIFFER: Let's go now to - we discussed this during the two commercial breaks ago, and that was the fact that during 1971 testimony of John Kerry, all the lies, the way he portrayed and slandered the American soldiers fighting in Vietnam, how shameful that was and what a fool he made himself look to everybody except for the media.

He made a comment that - he was asked by one of the senators, I think - if we pulled out of South Vietnam and left the South free to fight the communists in the north on their own, what would be the outcome? And a lot of people wisely believed that hundreds of thousands if not millions would be slaughtered, displaced. There would be all kind of human suffering and misery and genocide. John Kerry said no, not to worry, there wouldn't be much recrimination, maybe two to five thousand, that's it.

I'd like you to first comment on this, Scott, and then also Colonel Cordier.

SWETT: When John Kerry debated John O'Neill on the Dick Cavett show, they touched on that point.

SCHIFFER: Right.

SWETT: And John Kerry reiterated his position that nothing much is going to happen. John O'Neill quite correctly predicted there would be a bloodbath, and Dick Cavett laughed.

In his Senate testimony John Kerry said that, as you mentioned, that perhaps two or three thousand might be killed, people who held positions in the government and military, but he kind of allowed as how that was probably all right with him.

And of course, as we know, there were tens of thousands, if not more, killed just in South Vietnam, executed. There were - no one knows how many were placed in indoctrination camps, and many died there. Estimates range up to a million. Perhaps a million people tried to escape the country in rickety boats, the boat people, and estimates are that half of those people, half a million people, drowned in that attempt.

So the real holocaust of Vietnam happens after the American forces leave.

SCHIFFER: And of course it's still a hell hole, isn't it? There are some liberals like John Kerry that want to re-establish more relations with Vietnam, maybe make them part of the WTO, all that nonsense. What is Vietnam like today?

CORDIER: Well, I've made a couple of visits over there, one in '95 and another in '98, and in South Vietnam there's just really a lot of hustle and bustle and economic activity, and you can see that the people haven't lost their entrepreneurial spirit. In Hanoi there was quite a contrast. There was more of a somber atmosphere. New construction of high-rise office and hotels, but those were outside financed. It wasn't growth from within.

SCHIFFER: But people cannot speak out politically or religiously. I understand some of the most severe persecution against Christians in the world occurs in Vietnam, and on the State Department's own government human rights watch list, Vietnam ranks as one of the worst countries in the world to live because of persecution and that sort of thing, up there with Cuba and North Korea.

CORDIER: That's right. I can comment - a friend of mine in Virginia is the brother of Dr. Nguyen Qua, who is the foremost best known dissident in South Vietnam, and he spent over 25 of the last 30 years in prison because of his campaigning for freedom for democratic elections and freedom of religion and so forth, and they released him and a few others during the last Tet, but he's under house arrest. He can't leave his house. He's not allowed Internet access. He's just got a little bigger prison yard than he had before.

SCHIFFER: Scott, let's go back to earlier on you referred to one of the major booklets that your organization, the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, is putting together, a fact sheet if you will, a briefing on exposing some of the myths of the Vietnam War. I think you call it "Whitewash Blackwash."

SWETT: Yes.

Before I do that, Paul, let me just add one note to Colonel Cordier's comments, and that's about the systematic oppression of minority groups, such as the Montangards in Vietnam, which has gone on now for three decades. It's also pretty much on the verge of genocide. They've systematically tried to destroy these people.

The booklet that you mention is not a Vietnam Legacy booklet, but we're talking to the authors of it, who are Bill Laurie (phonetic) and R.J. Del Vecchio, both Vietnam veterans, both men of scholarship. They have gone through and discussed a lot of the myths that we've talked about on this show, that the Tet Offensive was a loss to the United States militarily, that the U.S. military used inhumane tactics while the Vietcong were benefactors, and that the war was fought by victims of U.S. society, and so forth and so on.

And they have put together a very nice booklet called "Whitewash Blackwash" that documents what the truth is about each of these myths.

So we're going to find some way to make this available to the public. Whether we're going to give it in exchange for donations or whether we're going to make it available in volume to educators isn't clear.

But what Bill and Del discovered, they were looking at educational materials about the Vietnam War, and most of what's available to school kids, when it's taught at all, is essentially a leftist morality play. You know, that Americans were the bad guys and that the Vietnamese communists were simple agrarian peaceful reformers defending their country against an aggressor.

That isn't true and we can document that it isn't true, and it's time for America to learn the truth about what actually happened.

SCHIFFER: We're going to take a quick commercial break and then we'll be right back with our special guests tonight, Scott Swett - he's the Executive Director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation - and former POW Colonel Kenneth Cordier, retired colonel U.S. Air Force, served as a POW, was in a prison camp for more than six years in Vietnam.

We'll be right back after this quick commercial break.

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SCHIFFER: We're going to do a quick wrap up now. You've been listening to the Schiffer Report here on RighTalk Radio.

I'd like to also mention that one of our guests tonight - and Scott, forgive me for not mentioning this earlier - Scott Swett, one of our guests tonight, the Executive Director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, also has his own radio broadcast here on the RighTalk Radio network. It's called The Inquisition, and I encourage people to go to the RighTalk.com web site and check more about that show. The Inquisition, again, with Scott Swett, and who's your partner, Scott?

SWETT: Tim Ziegler, and we're going to be having Mary Jane McManus of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation on for part of Monday's show at 2:00 o'clock Eastern.

SCHIFFER: Fantastic, so check that out here on RighTalk Radio.

Now we conclude with our other guest tonight, Colonel Cordier. Glad to see you're back in action, Colonel, and not letting this issue die. We're going to give you the honors to wrap things up tonight. Go ahead.

CORDIER: Okay. Well, thanks very much. I'd just like to urge your listeners to visit our web site, the VietnamLegacy.org, from time to time for new information, and make the point that part of this discovery process that we're going through with Scott's research is bringing out all sorts of interesting information that people, when I give them some of this, just say, "Well, I had no idea."

And I'll give you a quick example: With Jane Fonda and all the hubbub over her recently, I say, "Yeah, you know, her first husband that she complained about in her interviews, this fellow, Roger Vadim, that was an alias. He wasn't a Frenchman and that wasn't his name. His name is Vladimir Plemiannikov, and she married him and spent some time in Moscow during which she got a Russian passport as Jane Plemiannikov, and that's the passport she traveled to North Vietnam on in '72.

SCHIFFER: Well, we have less than 30 seconds left. Thanks for joining us tonight, Colonel Cordier and Scott Swett, and remember to visit their web site, VietnamLegacy.org, and check out our web site, SchifferReport.net. Schiffer Report heard here, Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays 4:00 to 5:00.

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