SWETT: Hello out there. This is Scott Swett. You're listening to The Inquisition on RighTalk radio. My co-host, Tim Ziegler, is trying desperately to scuffle around and find a better phone connection. He will be with us shortly.

But we do have with us our first guest today is Amanda Prewett Doss, who is the individual who wrote one of the key web sites of the effort against John Kerry last year, which was www.OperationStreetCorner.com.

Amanda, welcome to the show.

DOSS: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

SWETT: Amanda, what possessed you to get involved with the frenzy of activity that revolved around Kerry's candidacy?

DOSS: Well, what happened first was I had a friend from college that emailed me a web site, and it was WinterSoldier.com. The page that I went to was a time line of John Kerry's life, and after reading that page, I knew that I had to get involved somehow, and so I emailed the admin of that web site and told them that by profession I was a computer engineer, and I would like to help in any way that I could, and you know, probably that would be web site design, and so that's how I got started.

SWETT: I didn't realize that. In the interest of full disclosure, I should probably point out that I was that admin, but I didn't realize that was how you got connected into the vast right wing conspiracy against Kerry.

You have a background in web site design?

DOSS: Yes, I do.

SWETT: What sort of stuff had you done in the past?

DOSS: What kind of what?

SWETT: What kind of web work had you done in the past?

DOSS: Well, I work at a computer store in Texarkana called Computer Link, and we do web site design for our clients, among other things.

SWETT: What was it specifically about Kerry that made you decide to come off the sidelines and devote a tremendous amount of time and effort to a political effort?

DOSS: I think it's the fact that first of all my dad is a Vietnam veteran, and then after reading the subversive, treasonous things that Kerry did when he came back from Vietnam, I just couldn't believe that America was considering electing a traitor, essentially, to the presidency.

I felt like most people just didn't know the facts about John Kerry or he wouldn't be running for president, for sure, and wouldn't even be in the senate.

ZIEGLER: Why do you think the people of Massachusetts - this is Tim Ziegler, Amanda.

Why do you think the people of Massachusetts have elected him three times to the Senate?

DOSS: I suppose it's a very liberal state. I can't imagine. And perhaps they don't know the history of what all he's done and what he did back then when he came back, and you know, maybe we don't have Vietnam veterans up there. I don't know. I can't imagine why.

SWETT: I have a theory, and it's that Jane Fonda wasn't available to run that year.

What branch was your dad in, Amanda?

DOSS: He was in the Army.

SWETT: When was he actually in Vietnam?

DOSS: '70 and '71.

SWETT: Okay, so he was in Vietnam at exactly the same time the Vietnam Veterans Against the War were creating their war crimes propaganda campaign.

DOSS: That's right.

SWETT: Did he feel any effects of that, either in Vietnam or when he came home?

DOSS: Oh, yes. Yeah, just like all of the Vietnam veterans that I've ever spoken to. They had just a horrendous homecoming, if you would call it that, where the American citizens, you know, didn't know but what they had heard from John Kerry and Jane Fonda and the VVAW, and so they were hostile towards the Vietnam veterans. They were afraid of them. And they treated them worse than, for sure, worse than a hero deserves and worse than I think even people would treat each other today, just on the street.

ZIEGLER: Yeah, I haven't been spit on walking off the airport anytime recently, I'll tell you that.

DOSS: Thank goodness.

SWETT: I came out of kind of the same tradition. My own dad was in Vietnam also in '70/'71 for the Air Force, and when he came back, he was told by his commanding officer not to wear his uniform on the street, that it wasn't safe to do so.

DOSS: That's right, yeah. I've understood that they told a lot of the Vietnam veterans to go ahead and change into civilian clothes on the plane before they landed, and you know, to pretty well just not tell anyone that they had been to Vietnam.

SWETT: One of the things that kind of got me involved was the sense that the propaganda of 1970 and '71 wasn't going to play very well in the world of 2004, that this is a country that has much more appreciation for the troops that serve us. Did you get a sense of that as you were going through your activities?

DOSS: I did. It is funny, in a way. I see a lot of it being paralleled today. Not the way that Iraq is going in correspondence to Vietnam, but the way that our anti-war protestors are attacking the troops as well as the war. And I think it's really important for Vietnam veterans today to kind of come together and make sure that our troops that are over there fighting today do not receive the same kind of welcome home that they did.

ZIEGLER: Let me ask you both: Do you guys think that the left took the war off in Desert Storm in 1989 and '90? Do you think that they sat that one out and then have regretted it since then, and it's taken them realizing how favorably the American people look upon the military in the post-Desert Storm rallies and support and parades that the troops returned to in New York and out in the West Coast, and now they cannot let another one of those occur, and so they have to do all in their power to prevent that?

SWETT: Well, I'll jump in first. I think a lot of it was the time frame, because Desert Storm I happened so fast, you know. It was basically from the start of the bombing campaign to the end of the invasion, it was over in six weeks. And I think that it really takes time to whip up a nationwide effort.

Amanda, would you care to add to that?

DOSS: Yeah, I agree, Scott. I think that it was more the fact that all of these Vietnam veterans, at least in our organization, feel like John Kerry was a traitor, that he betrayed not only them but our country, and so at the thought of a traitor becoming president of our country, I think that that is what motivates Vietnam veterans enough to come out, and then of course, shortly thereafter, we had Jane Fonda, another traitor, with her book tour, and I think that it has just kind of given our Vietnam veterans fuel to come out of seclusion and, you know, begin to stand up for our troops and for their heritage.

SWETT: It's sort of like one of those nightmare Halloween films where the '60s return.

Tell us a little bit about Operation Street Corner. Let me just sketch it out for our listeners. Operation Street Corner, as I understand it, started with a Swift Vet named Tony Snesco, and he decided that he was going to gather the information that he could, make a good-sized display of articles and pictures and posters, and take it down to the corner as close as he could get to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., and then you guys kind of took it from there.

DOSS: That's right. Tony was a tremendous inspiration to us because Tony, like you said, took out this display that had just different facts about John Kerry and what all he had done, what activities and organizations he had been involved in and what they had done when he came back from Vietnam.

And he took that display out and sat there for basically eight months, every day from sunrise to sunset out there by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, handing out this information and educating the public about what had happened back then and what John Kerry had done back then and said back then, and it didn't matter, rain or shine, Tony was there.

So he was a great inspiration to us, and we sort of made a national effort out of it, and we had Vietnam veterans and families and relatives of Vietnam veterans from all over the country joining up, and they would download or order a display for themselves, make a display, and then take it to street corners or post offices or malls, wherever they could go to hand out information about what John Kerry had done and said, and then they would send in pictures. We have about 600 pictures from all over the country of people doing this.

SWETT: Okay, well that answers a question that I was going to ask. I was recently talking to Larry Bailey who put together the Kerry Lied rally in September, and he said that as best he could tell, perhaps three or four hundred people had requested to download the information from Operation Street Corner to build their own displays and kiosks.

DOSS: Yes.

SWETT: But he said those were only the ones that wrote and asked, and it seemed like there were hundreds more that just acquired the materials and went out quietly without telling anybody.

DOSS: That's correct. That is correct. We had a lot of people that would send in a picture and say, "I know I never did tell you all that I was doing this, but you know, after doing it several times, I've really gotten energized about this and I just really wanted to share a picture with you." So there were hundreds and hundreds of people all across the country doing it.

SWETT: Did you go out on the street and talk to the public?

DOSS: Oh, yes. Many times. In fact, I even traveled - I'm in Texarkana, Texas, so I traveled into Arkansas to several different cities in Arkansas and made big, huge sandwich boards of the cover of John Kerry's book where they're flying the flag upside-down, making fun of Iwo Jima. I had those sandwich boards on and I handed out information and I talked to people at post offices, up and down sidewalks, on street corners, at the mall, you name it.

SWETT: What kind of reception did you get? I'm sure it varied, but what were some examples?

DOSS: Well, mostly people were accepting of at least hearing us out. You know, of course, we got a couple of fingers and things like that, but mostly people wanted to know what it was that we were so adamant about that we would stand out there and hand out information and try to talk to people, and most everyone listened to what we had to say, and we found that most people were just amazed at all of the things that they did not know that he had done.

SWETT: If memory serves, that parallels what Tony had to say about his own sojourn out by the Memorial, was that most people didn't know much about this stuff. They approached him with pretty much an open mind and were ready to consider what he had to say.

DOSS: Yes. Yeah, I think so. What was really great about it was I had other friends and my husband and my father all would come and do Operation Street Corner with me, and so we had quite a few of us that could talk to the public. It was a lot of fun being able to help other people understand such a monumental decision that they were coming upon for the election.

ZIEGLER: How did the counties that you did Operation Street Corner in eventually vote during the 2004 election?

DOSS: Well, I didn't look county by county. I was just mostly focusing on the state of Arkansas because it was a real swing state, and the state of Arkansas did vote against John Kerry in the presidential election, so I consider that a victory.

SWETT: That they did.

ZIEGLER: Absolutely.

SWETT: Of course, Texas was something of a foregone conclusion, I think.

DOSS: Yes.

SWETT: But even after the election, the effort seems to be continuing. You're also the author of a more recent web site called Kerry's Treason, which we're looking at now, and it goes so far as to suggest that Kerry should be impeached and removed from the USA on the grounds that his service is unconstitutional.

DOSS: Absolutely.

SWETT: Tell us a little bit about that.

DOSS: Well, when John Kerry came back from Vietnam he became an anti-war activist, and that in and of itself is not a crime, of course, but some of the things that he did while he was an activist are certainly against the law, and one of the biggest things is that he went over to North Vietnam and actually met with Madame Binh and several -

SWETT: Paris. Actually, Paris, yeah.

DOSS: What did I say?

SWETT: North Vietnam.

DOSS: Yes. He went to Paris and met with Madame Binh and also several of the other North Vietnamese government officials and had several talks with them and brought back their so-called peace proposal and was trying to sort of tout that peace proposal, and all of this time that he was meeting with these people, he was actually still in the Navy Reserves.

ZIEGLER: Didn't he actually read the talking points, or the actual proposal points, that Madame Binh and the NVA Legation were attempting to get the United States to sign off on into the Senate record?

DOSS: Yes.

ZIEGLER: So if he's reading the exact words of an enemy combatant and representing that as what the United States should do, essentially taking their side, isn't that tacit evidence?

DOSS: Oh, absolutely. He was definitely taking their side. The group that he was a national spokesman for and also a leader, was called the VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, which a lot of those so-called Vietnam veterans were not even veterans at all. That organization absolutely was taking sides with the enemy.

They had rallies where they flew the Vietcong flag with honor and they desecrated and defiled our flag. They had meetings where they discussed assassinating U.S. senators. They actually had a meeting and voted to contact 2,000 active-duty GI's in Vietnam and ask them to partake in a mutinous action by refusing to take up arms when told to do so.

They were funded by the Communist Party USA. They did all kinds of subversive things, such as they took over the Statue of Liberty by force and hung the American flag upside down from the Statue of Liberty. They took over -

ZIEGLER: Oh come on, Amanda. That's just - isn't that just - what do you call it?

SWETT: Just having fun?

ZIEGLER: Yeah, just having fun. I can't remember the term.

DOSS: Which part is having fun? Talking about assassinating senators or -

ZIEGLER: Just protesting the war. Weren't they legitimately protesting the politics of the Nixon administration when they pursued these activities?

DOSS: No. I don't consider that legitimate. Would you consider taking over the Statue of Liberty or the Betsy Ross house or the Lincoln Memorial or -

ZIEGLER: If I did it, they'd throw me away for a thousand years.

DOSS: Yeah. So is that legitimate?

SWETT: I hadn't considered it, actually, until you brought it up, but the idea has a certain appeal.

You did mention John Kerry's testimony.

DOSS: Uh-huh.

SWETT: And one of the things that he did, unprompted, that I have always found fascinating was that he volunteered when they asked him what he thought the government should do, he raised the topic of Madame Binh's eight-point peace plan and said, "this is what we ought to do."

DOSS: Yeah.

SWETT: I don't think there's a lot of question what side he was on. However, what you're saying seems to go a little further than, you know, merely favoring the enemy. You're saying that you believe there's a legal case that Kerry committed treason.

Do you see any reason to think that after 33 years, 34 years, that there's any possibility whatsoever that that could ever occur? I mean, just as a matter of political reality.

DOSS: Well, I certainly hope so. I hope that we can get enough Vietnam veterans organized and enough Americans organized to bring him to the justice that he deserves.

For one, we definitely need to remove him from the senate. There's no question about that, but I would like to also see him brought up on charges of treason, and Jane Fonda for that matter too.

ZIEGLER: Do you think that the political will exists anywhere in the United States government to do what you're suggesting?

SWETT: Possibly in Texas.

ZIEGLER: Well, according to a Texas prosecutor, there's a lot of things that can be brought up on charges.

DOSS: I think that the will does exist, and I don't think it's necessarily the will of the politicians, but I think it's the will of the American people and the millions of Vietnam veterans that are out there.

SWETT: Do you think that Kerry's a viable candidate in 2008? Do you expect that this sort of effort is going to have to be reproduced?

DOSS: If he runs for president again, the effort most certainly will be reproduced. The only difference is that this time we have had much more time to get organized, and you will see a lot more of us.

ZIEGLER: Do you think that the American media will just step back and say, "Oh, that's old news; we don't need to hear about it," and, "This is just a few disgruntled veterans and their relatives who are constantly going to be harping on this because they don't like John Kerry"?

DOSS: Oh, yes.

ZIEGLER: Or do you think that your lawsuit can create a climate where legitimate inquiry will take place and people will evaluate it?

DOSS: No, I think the media is always going to be against us.

SWETT: Well, it's certainly true that they didn't help out a whole lot last time.


SWETT: Amanda, we very much appreciate your coming on the show and talking to us.

The web sites are KerrysTreason.com and OperationStreetCorner.com, which is still active.

When we come back from this break, we're going to have a chance to talk to Danita Gonder, who was one of the other key unsung heroes in the veterans' effort to unseat John Kerry.

You're listening to The Inquisition on RighTalk Radio.

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ZIEGLER: This is The Inquisition, Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler on Rightalk.com, and we're proud to introduce Ms. Danita Gonder from Texas and also a member of the KerrysTreason.com web site.

Danita, in our further investigations of what it is to shape history from America's basement, can you share with us why you got involved in the anti-Kerry political campaign last year.

GONDER: Okay, I'll do that. Back in May my husband and I heard that Kerry was the nominee for the Democrats, and we were just sort of shocked that he was claiming to be a hero and that people were believing it, even our own nieces and nephews. And we're going like, "What are we going to do about this," you know.

And of course, he's always been - since Vietnam he's been, you know, kind of bitter about politics anyway and thinks that nothing can help, but in spite of that, I did some web searches on Kerry, and I don't know what all I searched on, but I found the Kerry Lied web site and a phone number for Larry Bailey, so I thought, this is unusual. So I called it and asked him, "Are you for real?" and "are you really going to have a rally on September 12th called 'Kerry Lied'?" And he said that he was for real and so was the rally.

So we immediately made plans to go to Washington, D.C. and decided to make trip out of it to vacation too, but we knew we were going to that rally.

Also, there was another person in Ft. Worth that Larry put us in contact with, Allen Hopewell, another anti-Kerry enthusiast, and we were able to spread the word a little bit before the rally. We had some cards and things that were made up and gave those to some veterans that we could find, and everybody seemed real pleased that we had little cards that had "Kerry Lied" on them, and were interested. But not many, you know, were that interested in going to the rally in Washington.

But we knew this was going to be something important, you know, in the long run, and we needed to be there anyway.

SWETT: The Kerry Lied rally wound up attracting more than 4,000 people, which made it by far the largest anti-Kerry rally of the campaign.


SWETT: So you guys came out and spent some time in D.C. and attended the rally.


SWETT: What was that like? I'm aware that you were involved in some of the organizational meetings and helped to set it up and this sort of thing.

GONDER: Well, I didn't really help set it up. September the 11th they had a little, like, pre-rally thing going on at the American Legion, and I helped a little bit with the food and that kind of thing and putting some flags up, and we saw the "Stolen Honor" movie and everything, and just listened. I don't think I really did a whole lot there.

And we just went to the rally the next day. And we also went to see Senator Cornyn on Tuesday, and because we had set that up, like, weeks before the trip because they have a little coffee thing they do, they take a picture and everything.

SWETT: Constituent services.

GONDER: Yeah. I wore my "Stop Kerry" sign, and they took a picture of that, with me, in it. But anyway, that was kind of fun.

SWETT: Were they receptive to what you were -

GONDER: John, my husband, said, I'm not sure they know - they didn't quite know what to say, you know, about it.

ZIEGLER: Did you get any hostile reactions?

GONDER: What did you say?

ZIEGLER: Danita, did you get any hostile reactions when you were wearing that signboard?

GONDER: It wasn't a signboard; it was just a little button.

ZIEGLER: Oh, okay.

GONDER: No, I didn't get any negative reactions in Washington. They just kind of looked at me a little strangely. Of course there, all the buildings you have to take off everything that's metal, so I had to take it off every time and put it back on every time I went in and out of the building, but it was just kind of interesting. I thought that would be good to kind of spread the word that way also.

SWETT: You've mentioned that your husband came home from Vietnam and was pretty bitter about politics in general.


SWETT: Let us ask you the same thing that we asked Amanda.


SWETT: What was his reception like? What kind of experience did he go through when he came back?

GONDER: Well, before he came through, he had friends - he was in the Marines. He was in the H&S Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, in the Danang area. And he had had friends that had come home that had had things thrown at them that were not so nice, but that did not happen to him.

At that point they were flying them in in the dark of the night, no one to meet them, no one to greet them, no one, you know, wanted to talk about it at all. And they kind of got the same story about not wearing the uniforms also and just to kind of stay in your own little area and not mingle with society, and he felt like they had been abandoned.

And also, one thing he felt like - he was there in '70 and '71, actually when Kerry was speaking to the Senate. He said suddenly they just pulled him out of an operation and they felt very dissatisfied about that because they wanted him to complete that also. That was another thing that's always kind of stayed with him.

But basically it was not a good homecoming at all.

SWETT: Did he stay in the Marines afterwards? Was he career or did he do a shift and then get out?

GONDER: He stayed in one year after because he still had a year left on his tour.

SWETT: Okay.

GONDER: And that's the way they set it up then. They were trying to get rid of all of them, and they did everything they could, and so he left. And he kind of thought about it later and kind of wished he'd stayed in maybe, but at that time it was just - it was such a negative thing that it was really hard to stay in.

ZIEGLER: When did you guys get married?

GONDER: In '72.

ZIEGLER: So you were right there in the middle of it, then.

GONDER: Right, right. We were dating while he was in Vietnam.


SWETT: Do you actually remember seeing John Kerry on TV or any of his appearances at that time?

GONDER: You know, I do not. You know, there were only so many channels then. I was in school, and I probably just missed that. I knew about Jane Fonda. We all knew about Jane Fonda, very many details about her, but he was kind of a vague memory at this point.

And he didn't know at all about him because he was over there fighting for his country while Kerry was speaking.

SWETT: Not a lot of time to watch the CBS News.

GONDER: No, not a lot of time at all.

SWETT: Uncle Walter.

ZIEGLER: One of the popular perceptions that Hollywood has helped perpetuate is that everyone was involved with or at least peripherally involved with the anti-war movement. You were in school then; you were there. What was it like? Is that a true characterization of American youth in 1972?

GONDER: That was not a true characterization. There were probably 20, 30, 40 percent, maybe, somehow, you know, that went and watched or was curious, you know, what it was all about.

There was always some diehards, you know, that were in it, but it wasn't a huge thing. But of course, the ones who were in it were the loud mouths, you know, the real strident ones and the ones that closed down the schools and all that kind of stuff.

ZIEGLER: Well, Gary Trudeau even backs you up on that with his cartoon of John Kerry in Yale with -


ZIEGLER: - the kid giving the speech in three panels of the cartoon, and in the fourth panel, the guy says, "Who is that?" And the guy says, "Oh, that's John Kerry."

SWETT: He's saying, "You simply must listen to John Kerry. If you only hear one event this year, you must not miss John Kerry." "Who is that?" "John Kerry."


ZIEGLER: So unbeknownst to Mr. Trudeau, he helped skewer the future leader of the Democratic Party.


SWETT: Well, of course, he wouldn't have done it if he'd had any slight idea, and he did everything he could to make it up to him, so I think we have to go a little easy on Mr. Trudeau.

Danita, did you have any involvement in the anti-war movement? Were you a part of it or a student of it? What was your relationship to it?

GONDER: No, I was not part of it at all. In fact, I joined Young Republicans at the time in college for a little bit.

SWETT: So you were on the other side.

GONDER: It wasn't a very serious group at that time, but no, I was not part of the anti-war movement at all then.

I got involved in this last year because of the war that we have now and I saw what happened to our Vietnam vets, and I've been real concerned about our new and young heros getting the same treatment.

SWETT: That seems to be a very consistent theme, is that everybody that's been involved in these efforts really, above all, wants to make sure that the kids today don't have to go through the same, you know, dishonest and disrespectful treatment that was received by Vietnam veterans.

What kind of changes do you see between then and now?

GONDER: Well, my husband says that as far as just the technical parts of the military and that kind of thing, that they're much more well trained, the equipment is much, much better. Communication is much better. Their tactics are much better because of Vietnam. They seem to - they're getting the job done faster when they're allowed to do it. And it's just a much better situation as far as carrying out such a thing.

I see the same anti-war people with the same tired, old stories and the same tired, old crapola that they keep trying to force down everybody's throats for years and years.

SWETT: I'd go further than that and say it's not just the same anti-war movement, but it's also a very, very similar response on the part of the media, that they're just, you know, dead set against what we're trying to accomplish.

GONDER: Oh, yeah, the media is joyful to join them. I think that the media are full of people that hate America and want to do everything they can to destroy it, and I think that we have to fight against that.

SWETT: Well, there's no doubt that a lot of people in the, quote, "mainstream media" seem to think the United States is the force for evil in today's world.


SWETT: You've demonstrated a couple of ways, and we've all been involved in various ways of circumventing the media, web sites being one of them, going directly out on the streets. What sorts of things do you think we can do to continue that end run?

GONDER: Okay. Well, I have a list, and there's lots of things you can do to fight this, and not just going out on the street. That's one thing you can do. Sometimes you have to have a face-to-face confrontation. You know, you've got to be there with them, like we were in Crawford, Texas, was one example of that where we had 4,000 of us supporting the troops, and then you had the little protestors over there with their little thousand but their fancy tent.

SWETT: Okay, so this is recently with the Cindy Crawford road show - the Cindy Sheehan road show?

GONDER: Sheehan, yes, in Crawford.

SWETT: In Crawford. I'll get it right.

GONDER: Yes, that was August the 27th.

And people just need to watch out when those things are happening. There are actually people like our Operation Street Corner that went out in different cities and they held up signs saying they support the troops and their efforts.

ZIEGLER: Danita, we'll be back after this quick break to pay some bills. This is The Inquisition, Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler on Rightalk.com. Back in a minute.

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ZIEGLER: This is The Inquisition, Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler as your inquisitors, and we're talking to Mrs. Danita Gonder, and we're discussing protesting the Vietnam war, John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and the modern contemporaries of the '60s protest movement.

So you have the distinction of being one of the few people I know who have protested both Jane Fonda in the 1960s and Cindy Sheehan in the 2000s.


ZIEGLER: That's quite a distinction.

GONDER: Yes. Well, they're both of the same thought pattern. They're both against America.

SWETT: Well, that qualifies you for the counter-protesting badge with the oakleaf cluster award, if I read that correctly.

GONDER: All righty. Sounds good to me.

SWETT: We were mentioning that you had protested Jane Fonda at one of her book tour events in the wonderfully named town of Grapevine, Texas.

GONDER: Correct.

SWETT: Can you tell us a little bit about that event?

GONDER: Okay. Well, we first found out about her book that was going to be touring along with her all over the country, and I think Amanda was the one who found the - actually, all the locations, and we saw, aha, it's here in Grapevine, Texas, that she would be stopping. So we decided we were going to go over there and make our viewpoint known, and also we had another friend, Rick (unintelligible), who had friends in the Vietnamese community, and he got a hold of them and they wanted to join in with us because they still have some pretty strong feelings about the activities that she did that harmed them and their country.

ZIEGLER: I'd love to talk to some of them because I think that's one of the most under-reported stories of the 2004 campaign, is how little -

GONDER: Oh yes, yes. Those -

ZIEGLER: - attention the press paid to the Vietnamese in the United States.

GONDER: Yes, you need to speak with them.

Anyway, we all got together and we - it was at Books-A-Million. And by the way, they would not let us get near their property, and we would like you to not buy the books from that store because I guess they feel like Vietnam veterans aren't good enough to protest in front of their store. And they were kind of upset with us and so we had to go to another location a little further out in the shopping area. But we had full agreements with the police. They were there with us, and they were very friendly.

And so we got the Vietnamese there. There were about 30 or 40 of them. I don't know the exact count. And they were quite adamant being against her.

We held up signs telling that she could still be prosecuted for her role and that she should be and that -

And also, some of the Vietnamese children were there, and they were holding up signs, "Free my people," which you know, Vietnam is still ruled by a communist government that's one of the more crueler governments in the whole world right now, and that needs to be taken care of, you know. They were there for that effort also as well as protesting Hanoi Jane's traitorous and treasonous behavior.

ZIEGLER: How did she respond to the protestors? Did she acknowledge them? Was she shocked?

GONDER: She was actually there the next day, and we were there the day before because we wanted to make the - we were still in the educational mode so we wanted to make sure that the public knew how we felt about it because many people now do not even know what the deal was. You know, what's the big deal. And they were kind of surprised that we were there, but we were glad that we could educate them to a certain extent.

She was there the next day, but I do understand one of our Operation Street Corner people did come back the next day just to see what was going to happen. There was a couple of things that happened, and I read a little bit about them in the paper.

She actually got to the store first, and before, you know, the actual book signing and all that, and she actually told the people that she had people in the crowd that were going to be on her side. She had it all set up to where it was going to be positive, you know, and all that. She kind of had it orchestrated somewhat. That was actually what our local paper had written about.

Then there was also a - I think there was a Vietnam veteran there that was a helicopter pilot, and he did a little heckling, and they kind of ignored him. I don't know how that ended.

The person that went back for our - to get their information said that she was acting like, you know, I'm just not understood. I'm misunderstood, you know, and got the little sympathy thing going. Kind of disgusting, actually.

Anyway, another thing we did do with that protest, we had made a fact sheet, a pretty comprehensive one, about three or four pages, you know, single spaced, and we went over to the store one or two at a time, not all together because they didn't like that idea, and we would go and put the fact sheets inside the books, and hopefully some people read them.

SWETT: These are fact sheets about Jane Fonda -

GONDER: What Jane Fonda said -

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SWETT: Radio shows from Hanoi and so forth?


SWETT: You put those in her books.


SWETT: Well, they could have charged more, then, for the additional information, I would think.

GONDER: Yes, that would have been more educational. And even after that date I took some to some of the other book stores and kind of slipped them in, you know, and thought, well this is nice to give them extra information.

And anyway, so we don't know what happened because the person who went back said they did check to see if the things were still in the books, and she noticed that they were gone, the ones - she couldn't find any anyway. Hopefully somebody got to read those and took them home with them and made copies.

SWETT: Well, I hope you weren't just admitting to commissioning a crime here on the air. I'm not quite sure of the legal status of leafleting books in a book store.

GONDER: Oh, okay.

SWETT: But it certainly has the virtue of novelty.

GONDER: It was only done for educational purposes.

SWETT: There you go.

ZIEGLER: For the children.

SWETT: You're a non-profit. You're good to go.

GONDER: Right.

SWETT: Well let's see, where do we go from here? What's next for Vietnam vets and their attempts to rehabilitate their reputation?

GONDER: Okay. Well, they have great reputations as far as I'm concerned, but there are things - like Amanda said, they need to come out and get involved with the political situation, you know, in case Kerry does run, but there's other things too they need to get involved with.

Right now I feel like, and I think there are others that feel like that the senators and house representatives are not making a strong enough case to support our troops, and - some are and some aren't, but you know, they're afraid of the other side so much that they're so muted about it. And I think they need to hear from the Vietnam vets so they know that theses are the people that got treated badly.

We need to tell the senators and house representatives that they need to support the troops and do not pull the funding and be a cut and run congress like you were in 1975, you know, and please veterans, do not let up on this activity. Just keep at them. If you can meet with them personally, that's all the better.

ZIEGLER: This is The Inquisition, RighTalk.com. We'll be back after a quick break and get ready to head into the next hour with Martha Zoeller on RighTalk.com.

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ZIEGLER: This is The Inquisition, Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler. We're closing out the show with Ms. Danita Gonder, who has two web sites: KerrysTreason.com and OperationStreetCorner.com.

Danita, do you think the Vietnam veterans have been politically naive over the last couple of decades and why haven't they gotten more politically active sooner and do you think that they'll continue to be politically active after the success they experienced as a group in 2004?

GONDER: I don't think they were politically naive. They were just politically bitter. They just felt like things would never get changed even if they got involved, and I think now that they've seen that it has changed and that they will be more involved, I am hoping and praying that they will continue on with the issues of the day against the ideas of Kerry and the Clintons and anyone else that is not for America and not for our sovereignty. I think they will see that they did make a difference, and we can just see what happens next.

SWETT: Danita, my impression is that a lot of Vietnam veterans suffered and fumed privately over a period of many years and didn't know how many of their contemporaries felt just exactly the same way they did. Is that something that rings a chord with you?

GONDER: Yes. I think - in fact, this summer we also went to Branson. They had a big rally for - a big, week-long thing, actually, for the Vietnam vets, and that was pretty amazing how closely they all agreed on the things you just stated, that we're all together in this and we can make a difference.

SWETT: Danita, thanks very much for coming on the show. We appreciate it.

GONDER: Okay. Thank you.

ZIEGLER: This is The Inquisition, Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler on RighTalk.com. Martha Zoeller follows up, and we'll be back in two weeks.

SWETT: Don't touch that mouse.

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